Thanks for your input. I value your experience and viewpoint. Son has effectively run off the few friends that he had. There is one I have been in contact with that is still hopeful he will recover one day and has encouraged son to get professional help to no avail. I wish son could turn his stubborness toward getting clean instead of digging in and cutting off his nose to spite his face. His Dad, my husband, no longer cares. Sister wants nothing to do with him. I really do not want to kick him to the streets to make him agree to go - he still may not - and as you said it probably won’t be effective if he’s not motivated to get clean. It fells like an impossible situation.