Family and Caregiver Schizophrenia Discussion Forum

Who helps those with out insight/


#1

If the police only want to take in criminals or those who are violent, then how can you call an ambulance for a sick person with schizophrenia. Aren’t hospitals supposed to be places for sick people to get better, not criminals to be punished?

I don’t understand these legal barriers.


#2

She has been psychotic almost non-stop for about 8 years because of this. I wish she was better, it breaks me down to see her suffer from irrational fears and beliefs that make her sad and confused.


#3

One more time:

Piles of research show that sz pts tend to get “better” when they…

  1. Get a copy of this book and read it and have their families read it, as well.
    http://www.amazon.com/Surviving-Schizophrenia-6th-Edition-Family/dp/0062268856

  2. Get properly diagnosed by a board-certified psychopharmacologist who specializes in the psychotic disorders. One can find them at…
    https://psychiatrists.psychologytoday.com/rms/

  3. Work with that “psychiatrist” (or “p-doc”) to develop a medication formula that stabilizes their symptoms sufficiently so that they can tackle the psychotherapy that will disentangle their thinking.

  4. The best of the therapies for that currently include…
    DBT – http://behavioraltech.org/resources/whatisdbt.cfm
    MBSR – http://www.mindfullivingprograms.com/whatMBSR.php
    MBCT - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22340145
    ACT – https://contextualscience.org/act
    10 StEP – http://pairadocks.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-10-steps-of-emotion-processing.html

  5. the even newer somatic psychotherapies like…
    MBBT – https://www.newharbinger.com/blog/introduction-mind-body-bridging-i-system
    SEPT – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatic_Experiencing
    SMPT – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensorimotor_psychotherapy

  6. or standard CBTs, like…
    REBT – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_emotive_behavior_therapy
    Schematherapy – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema_Therapy
    Learned Optimism – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_optimism
    Standard CBT – http://www.beckinstitute.org/what-is-cognitive-behavioral-therapy/About-CBT/252/

  7. If you/she/he needs a professional intervention, tell me where you live, and I will get back to you with leads to those services.

Look into the RAISE Project in your area, as well.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=raise%20program%20schizophrenia


#4

I am sorry to hear this. There is no book about being close to someone who is ill and untreated for a long period of time. I am just a couple years in and it’s like nothing else.

I hope the laws are in place because human rights should never be violated. But I believe treatment works this way also out of discrimination against people with mental illness.

When people who have chronic psychosis are not functioning on a basic level and are constantly sad and confused, it’s so hard knowing we cannot do anything.

I would love any actual input about this subject.

@notmoses I have read that book and at least 50 others. There is no way to help someone without insight who refuses treatment (not just psychiatric medicine, but all types of therapy and even sometimes basic medical care due to paranoia) beyond trying to make sure basic needs are met.


#5

What scares me the most is losing insight. I might go back to the irrational fear of someone poisoning my food.

I wish I knew how to help you in this situation. The only thing I know is that you can get some medicines via injection, so you don’t have to worry about your loved one not taking their meds.

I also feel like my family will be on here someday talking about me. Don’t feel bad for me, because I have a plan. If meds work for me through a relationship to marriage to having kids I’ll be okay. I just read an article that says that loss of estrogen triggers psychosis in postmenopausal women. After having kids, I will have my uterus and ovaries taken out, so they can put me on estrogen therapy. My stepmom had that procedure and she is doing fine. (It was supposed to stop her debilitating migraines, but it doesn’t completely stop them.)


#6

Have you read this book, then:

Because even though it was written for those who deal with those who have Alzheimer’s and other dementias, the concepts and techniques are pretty much applicable to those with treatment-resistant sz who cannot move out of the denial / pre-contempation stage into contemplation / consideration for whatever reasons.


#7

I will read that too…