Non pharmaceuticals that are working


#21

Yep, we can’t overcome it with positive wishes. Were that the case, every family member on this site would employ them and there would be peace in all our homes. Since my son has declared he will take no meds over a year ago we cope by LEAP and CBT. I certainly do wish he would find something that would level him out, but until he decided to take meds, we set some reasonable boundaries and allow him to live as he wishes. However, like to hear about other options should the day come he is willing to try.

Good for you though for finding something that works!


#22

@Kellyshayne I think it’s great it’s working. I take rescue remedy for stress (a flower tincture) and it works for me and the results you are getting are great! I’m in Boulder so homeopathy is main stream here : )


#23

@naturallycured
Fighting the good fight with scientific journals and researched logic is morally sound, but I think your efforts here might be for naught.
Those who support remedies will always have a retort. Those who support conventional medical research will always fear for the implications of ignoring such clear data.

For the record:
Those members of the DX’d community forum who visit this family forum occasionally found this thread to be shocking and unsettling. Likely because they don’t assume the subject of conversation here is often far more subdued by their symptoms than the majority of those who have joined the DX’d community forum.

Still, it is a fundamentally controversial subject.
Best to let those who advocate have their own say and not risk inciting argument in the interest of scientific debate.

To those who advocate homeopathic remedies:
“Energy” is totally the wrong term. Energy, scientifically, is a property of matter measured in units like newtons, amperes, etc… It is a description of motion, not a dietary or medicinal property of a drug.
These remedies generally do contain trace amounts of the substance which they derive “active ingredients” from. Most homeopathic substances are an extremely diluted dosage of some base compound to the point that they contain “trace amounts” (or amounts which are shown to have no observable impact on a healthy person’s physiology).
In the same way that your breakfast cereal contains “trace amounts” of nuts from being processed at a facility which also processes nuts, it has no effect on an otherwise healthy person… Unless they happen to be extremely alergic to nuts.

Is it possible that these substances might have some kind of effect on a DX’d individual?
Yes.
Is that effect researched, documented and proven in the same way prescription drugs are?
No.

Let’s not generate misinformation, or incite hostility through debate about the topic. Like religion and politics, home remedies are a subject of some very fundamental controversy.


#24

Hahnemann, the founder of homeopathy, recommends a dilution of “30C”, which would render the amount of original compound 1 part in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, or 10 to the 60th power. There are about 10 to the 50th power of atoms on earth. Think about it. There’s nothing left of the original compound.

The idea that dilution strengthens a compound is such quackery.


#25

JB: The free radical theory – that must have come out of the atomic theory?

RP: Yeah. [In] ordinary chemistry on paper, they would show an atom (or an atom with other atoms attached to it) coming lose from another group, and taking one electron away, where each atom had been contributing an electron to a pair that made a stable compound. On paper, they could take away a group with one electron and allow it to combine somewhere else. But they just couldn’t believe that it could really exist in a watery solution, for example. But how Moses Gomberg first did it – it was with Triphenylmethyl. Anyway, it had three large carbon rings, attached to one tiny little molecule in the center. And the benzene ring had a tendency to repel, because they were placed too close together. The whole group wasn’t very soluble in water. [But with] the force of the water and the closeness of these large groups– if you diluted [it] - if you kept adding water to a solution of this compound, as it got very highly dilute - the color would suddenly change from clear to a deep purple. As you got it diluted enough, the groups would be able to fall apart from each other and exist freely in solution.

Anyone who knew homeopathy, which a well-educated doctor [Koch] did in 1900, knew that the principle of homeopathy was that some compounds become chemically more reactive when they are highly diluted. And so, it was natural for someone with a medical education [as Koch] to see the importance of this chemical principle. But not many people who had studied homeopathy, as well as classical medicine, had also studied chemistry (which Koch did).


#26

The compounds used in homeopathy aren’t free radicals. Also, homeopathy doesn’t have a test for increased reactivity from dilution, so the point is kind of moot.


#27

I appreciate all of the comments and concern, It is apparent that the end goal is to help, encourage and want the best outcomes for our loved ones and that cannot be overstated.

There are so many horrible side effects from pharmaceutical meds and most people really hate being on them because of that fact. Stem cell research is on the horizon but at least 10 years away according the schizophrenia research specialist I have conversed with not long ago. Who knows how long it will actually take, but it is coming.

Great help from lots of supplements too that make a world of difference in productive lives, such as sarcosine and many others.

I hope that we can share our successes on this thread and continue in good faith that we are here to support one another.


#28


Interesting article about another option for schizophrenia. Did anyone ever think about the aging of those with schizophrenia? My daughter’s face looks like it is aging faster or losing elasticity too fast. So i just looked up what science says about collagen and schizophrenia. What do you know, it says they are looking into it as a treatment!


#29

Glycine is found in collagen/gelatin. There are studies using glycine as adjunct treatment for schizophrenia. The following link lists several studies.

Making gelatin broths for soups and sauces could be an easy way to get our loved ones to ingest collagen. Besides making broths, I sometimes add a powdered collagen hydrosolate to my soups and sauces. Gelatin snacks (homemade or store bought), gummy bear candy, and pork rinds are other sources of gelatin. The powdered collagen hydrosolate can also be added to drinks such as orange juice or coffee. The human dose was 60g-80g which could be achieved using gelatin or glycine.


#30

I am not a scientist…

However, the interworking’s of the brain are so dynamic, that it does make sense a brain not operating correctly on the thinking level most likely has ‘misfiring’s’ on other levels also.


#31

Inflammation is a factor in schizophrenia. Gelatin is anti inflammatory.

“A generous supply of glycine/gelatin, against a balanced background of amino acids, has a great variety of antistress actions. Glycine is recognized as an “inhibitory” neurotransmitter, and promotes natural sleep. Used as a supplement, it has helped to promote recovery from strokes and seizures, and to improve learning and memory. But in every type of cell, it apparently has the same kind of quieting, protective antistress action. The range of injuries produced by an excess of tryptophan and serotonin seems to be prevented or corrected by a generous supply of glycine. Fibrosis, free radical damage, inflammation, cell death from ATP depletion or calcium overload, mitochondrial damage, diabetes, etc., can be prevented or alleviated by glycine.”
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/gelatin.shtml


#32

@Kellyshayne & @naturallycured Thanks for all the information. Both of you provided great options for us to research.

We may not all agree on the solution because there isn’t just one.


#33

I think that anything that brings some improvement more than it harms is a workable solution. If there was a broad solution to schizophrenia we would all be all for it, but no, there isn’t one broad solution. As I see it, there are many possible solutions. We must each find the right combinations for our loved ones (and ourselves). Finding them is the problem. Vitamins, sleep, food, walks, medicine, counseling, commitment (voluntary or involuntary), compliments, hope, prayers, luck, family and more all have their benefits. I am willing to try anything that may bring benefits and won’t bring harm that outweighs the benefits. If I could, I would get my daughter on an anti-psychotic and still give her other supportive solutions also. Right now, she IS taking some of the homeopathics I ordered from India. She isn’t taking them properly from what I see but who knows what is working? She is eating better, sleeping more, taking the homeopathics, having an occasional protein smoothie and avoiding getting arrested or Baker Acted, and best of all, she is talking to me daily (besides just talking to her voices). Is it the homeopathics that are working? The prayers? The sleep? Who knows for sure?